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Interview: Alex Lifeson Discusses Rush's Rock Hall of Fame Induction and Deluxe Reissue of '2112'

Interview: Alex Lifeson Discusses Rush's Rock Hall of Fame Induction and Deluxe Reissue of '2112'

Despite an intensely devoted fan base and decades of massive success, Rush have been, for much of their career, regarded as the World’s Least-Hip Rock and Roll Act—the band of choice for adolescent boys mesmerized by 20-minute prog-rock epics, extravagant drum solos, and lyrics filled with tales of snow dogs, warring trees and French national holidays.

In the past few years, however, Rush have come to be cast in a more laudatory light. They've been embraced by Hollywood on television shows like Freaks and Geeks and in films like I Love You, Man, and the band members — guitarist Alex Lifeson, vocalist/bassist Geddy Lee and drummer/lyricist Neil Peart — autographed Stephen Colbert’s hand during an appearance on The Colbert Report.

They have also been praised by a host of bold-name musicians and music fans—from Billy Corgan and Kirk Hammett to Jack Black and South Park co-creator Matt Stone — in the award-winning 2010 documentary, Rush: Beyond the Lighted Stage.

Now, in what could be viewed as perhaps the final step in their mainstream image rehabilitation, Rush will this year be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, honoring in a very public way the myriad commercial and artistic achievements of the band’s almost 40-year recording career. In that respect, it is also a fitting time for them to reissue their 1976 prog-rock classic, 2112, which represents a landmark moment in their commercial and artistic development.

Prior to recording 2112, did it really feel like the end was near for Rush? It’s been said that you took to calling the Caress of Steel tour the “Down the Tubes tour.”

That is how we were referring to it. And it definitely felt that way at the time. That was a very difficult tour. We were already extremely in debt, and it was just getting worse and worse. The crowds were getting smaller and there didn’t seem to be much interest in the album at the time. Everybody around was concerned about what the future was going to be. So there was a lot of reflection. I thought, Well, you know, I guess I could be a plumber again if I had to…

As the story goes, prior to your recording 2112, Rush’s manager, Ray Danniels, and your longtime producer, Terry Brown, actually met with your label, Mercury, and led them to believe that you were going to return to a more straightforward rock sound.

[laughs] Of course they did! I’m sure they were saying things like that right up to the delivery of the record. They probably were like, “Don’t worry, it’s gonna be great! It’ll be awesome!” But as the record was coming together we all truly were very excited about it. I don’t know if we thought we had quite what we ended up with, but we did feel it was something special.

Did Mercury every put any specific demands on you to return to a more commercial sound?

Not really. The essence of our deal was a production deal, so we were responsible for delivering the record, the artwork — everything — in its completed form. It was really up to us. But they did lament the fact that we seemed to no longer have the same interests as we had initially. And they were concerned about that. Of course they were concerned about that—they had invested a lot of money and time and effort in us. And they wanted only what was best for the band, which was for us to make them a lot of money! And that’s fine. They’re a business and that’s what they do. I get it. That’s okay. Truthfully, I think it lit a fire under us.

The actual song “2112” was the most involved piece you had done up to that point. How did it come together?

We entered the studio with that song in pretty close to final form. Or at least it was in pen sketches rather than pencil. But the truth is, we didn’t really have the time available to us to go in the studio and write and record a record like we do now. A lot of “2112” was written in the back seat of a car and in cold dressing rooms while on tour in northern Ontario. Then it was just a matter of preparing ourselves and getting all the material ready. Then we’d go into the studio, spend a week recording and mixing, and that was it. You get back out on the road. I think the whole 2112 album took somewhere around a week to do.

That’s quick.

That’s very quick. But we were recording live for the most part. Back then, you only had eight tracks. We might have had 16 by the time of 2112, but there wasn’t a lot of space on those tracks. So you tried to record as much as you could in one go. We did the basic tracks live off the floor, which is really how we recorded right up through [1982’s] Signals.

What was your setup?

I played mostly my [Gibson] ES-335, and I know I borrowed a friend’s Strat, which you can hear on things like “Discovery” [Part III of “2112”]. So I had those two electrics in the studio with me, and then for the acoustic parts I had a Gibson Hummingbird that I borrowed from that same friend. For amps, I had a Fender Twin and a Marshall 50-watt and 100-watt. I’m sure I had a couple Marshall cabinets as well. My pedals were a Maestro Phase Shifter and Echoplex, and a Cry Baby wah.


Can you recall what Geddy used?

It would have been his Ricky [Lee’s Rickenbacker 4001 Jetglo bass]. And probably Sunn amps, or else Ampeg SVTs. But that was it. The gear was pretty streamlined, because we couldn’t afford a lot. We had the tools that worked, and we took care of them.

In that regard, from a musical standpoint, “2112” is actually rather raw and straightforward. As far as sidelong epics go, it’s pretty accessible.

I think that’s because, really, it’s made up of a group of songs. So there’s variety, pacing, dynamics. There’s an overall story, of course, but musically the sections break down into individual pieces. The [1978] Hemispheres album [specifically the track “Cygnus X-1 Book II: Hemispheres”] is an example of that as well. The key was to make it so that there was enough going on to merit listening to these pieces as their own individual components.

Another nice touch is the fact that, musically, the sound of each movement of “2112” reflects what is happening in the lyrics: “The Temples of Syrinx,” which is sung from the viewpoint of the priests, is an aggressive piece, while “Soliloquy,” in which the protagonist takes his own life, is slow and mournful. The song that makes this connection most literally is “Discovery,” in which the protagonist finds an old and discarded guitar and sets about learning to play it. You mimic this journey throughout the track—the recording even begins with you tuning up a guitar.

I approached my parts as if I was the character. In the story, he comes across this guitar. It’s been sitting around for a long time and chances are it’s not in tune. So the first thing he does, as anyone would, is to try to make it sound pleasing to the ear. Then there’s like a fast-forward in terms of his learning how to perform. He starts playing, and speeds up to the point where he’s actually composing something. I tried to get across the sense of, here’s someone who has come across this thing and it’s sparking the very same thing in him that it sparked in his ancestors, this creative energy in his spirit.

When you tracked it, did you actually just tune the guitar and continue on through the song in real time?

I think so. We did it a few times, because we wanted to get it all in one take. I detuned the Strat, and then it was a matter of putting it back into tune, but not in such a painstaking way that it became too much the story of tuning a guitar. [laughs]

Something else I wanted to ask about was your copping a piece of the theme from Tchaikovsky’s 1812 Overture for your solo in the “Overture” section of “2112.”

I was just kind of paying homage, you know? He had his 1812 Overture and we had our 2112 “Overture.” It’s our little nod to that.

Maybe this is a real stretch, but I always wondered if there was more to it—Tchaikovsky’s piece was written to commemorate Russia’s defense of the homeland against Napoleon’s invasion. In a sense, “2112” was Rush’s defense of its artistic spirit against outside forces. You were both standing your ground.

Yes, very much so! A fight’s a fight, right? [laughs] So that’s a part of it for sure. We were very aware of that.

Here’s something else: “Grand Finale,” the final section of “2112,” concludes with the phrase, “Attention all planets of the solar federation. We have assumed control.” The first sentence is made up of seven words. The second is made up of four. Each is uttered three times. Mathematically, that comes to 21 words for the first sentence, and 12 for the second. 2112.

Oh, I didn’t know about that!

So it wasn’t intentional?

No. But that’s pretty cool! That’s the first time I heard that…but yes, that’s exactly what we were thinking!

You learn something new every day.

Absolutely. I had no idea.

After the intensity of the first side of 2112, the second side kicks off with “A Passage to Bangkok.” In addition to being a pretty straightforward rock song, it also features one of Neil Peart’s more lighthearted lyrics. Basically, it’s a drug tune.

For sure. It’s tongue-in-cheek. And that’s always been an element of what we do. I think it’s maybe more prevalent now than it was back then. But we still had a sense of humor.

One thing that I always found particularly funny is that, while it sounds like a true story, the fact is that none of you had ever traveled to any of the places—Morocco, Lebanon, even Bangkok, for that matter—mentioned in the song.

Nope! We might have shared a copy of High Times magazine or something and looked at all those places, but that’s about it. [laughs]

Was marijuana big for you guys?

Oh, sure. I mean, we were very young, and we were products of the Sixties. So it was not uncommon, to say the least.

Do you feel that in general the songs on the second side of 2112 get overlooked?

Absolutely. And I think we in the band are guilty of that as well. We always think of that one song. But we loved the ones on the other side as well. “A Passage to Bangkok,” “Something for Nothing,” “Lessons”… And I’ve often wanted to bring back “The Twilight Zone,” because it’s such a quirky little song. It would be really cool to attack it again with sort of our new way of approaching our older material.

After 2112 was released, how could you tell it was connecting with people? Did the size of the crowds increase?

That was a very gradual thing. We went from playing small venues to playing slightly less-small venues. And we just continued on that rise. We played everywhere, all the time. We played 250 shows a year, plus we recorded one or two records in that time. So we really worked a lot. And it was quite a slow build over the course of six or seven years. And I think that’s a good way to do it. We could see that we were becoming more popular, that people were becoming much more connected with our music. But we still had no airplay. So even as it was getting bigger, it felt like we were this kind of cultish band.

Even if that cult was growing bigger, the press still was not in your corner. Was it the NME that called you “pinko socialists” around the time of 2112?

Actually, I think they were the ones that called us “neo-Nazi fascists.”

How did that affect you?

Well, that was an interesting time. I remember that interview we did with the guy from NME. He came to our hotel, and we had a nice conversation. There was an argument, and there are two sides to an argument. Neil took one position and the journalist took the other. And it was all in good faith. Just presenting two different opinions. And then the article came out, and it was, we’re Nazis and we would sell our families up the river. and all we cared about was money and we were selfish. All this stuff. And that’s not us at all. And Geddy’s parents came through the Holocaust, so he was very, very sensitive to that. We were all very sensitive to that because of him. So it was kind of a weird thing. But the NME was very much kind of a red, socialist sort of rag, and that was great press for them. It was the lowest of the low. But at the end of the day, I don’t know where that journalist is, but we’re still working!

You’ve never been a critic’s band, to say the least.

Certainly, after a while we developed a tough skin, because most of the press we got was not very flattering. But we never cared, because we went out and played every night to sold-out audiences filled with people who really loved what we were doing. So it didn’t really matter. And in some ways it’s better that way, because you’re not in the mainstream. You have some anonymity.

But the tide has changed for Rush. You’re finally getting into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, even though it took a long time to even get on the ballot.

I think we’ve been eligible for the last 14 or 15 years. But our position has always been that if we’re not part of that scene, that’s okay. But I think for our fans, they were…they were pretty pissed! And that’s the thing about Rush fans. They’re very vocal with their piss-iness. [laughs] So it’s nice to get have it happen. And we will go to the ceremony and graciously accept the honor, for us and also for our fans. We’ll get up and play a few songs and make it a really special event. I know my mom’s going, I think all our moms are going. They’re pretty excited about it.

Moms like that kind of thing.

Moms love that kind of thing.

So now that you’re finally Hall of Famers, Rush fans will have to find another cause to take up.

Well, there are certainly still lots of fans that are not happy with the decision to put us in the Hall of Fame. They feel that we should have stayed out. But it’s not such a big deal. At the end of the day, let’s all just be happy.

At least you’re no longer being called pinko socialist neo-Nazi fascists.

Exactly! So there’s a silver lining to every cloud. Like, “Hey mom! Look! I’m not a Nazi anymore!”

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