“We were auditioning for bass players, but most of the guys who came in were too good. One day I just said, ‘What if I play bass?’” Shavo Odadjian on why he switched from guitar to the bass

Shavo Odadjian, bassist of the band System of a Down, in concert at Firenze Rocks Festival. Florence, Italy. 25th June 2017
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Heavy metal has been through a tumultuous time in the last few decades. Before 1990, or thereabouts, you either wore spandex or denim, and you either liked Poison or Metallica. You only had two basic directions and everyone was happy. After that, grunge came along and wiped most of the slate clean, after which many metal musicians found themselves flipping burgers and waiting impatiently for MTV to start playing 80s metal again. Sadly for them, grunge begat alternative metal, which itself morphed into nu-metal, a hip hop-influenced variant which dominated the airwaves until 2002 or so.

But it wasn't all bad news. Although nu-metal quickly faded from view, a handful of completely different bands had slipped into the public consciousness simply because of the general open-mindedness of the metal scene at the time. The Los Angeles-based Armenian-American quartet System of a Down were more progressive, more confident and more head-scratchingly unlike any of their contemporaries, and quickly pulled in several nations' worth of fans with their self-titled debut album in 1998. 

Alongside frontman Serj Tankian, guitarist Daron Malakian and drummer John Dolmayan, bassist Shavo Odadjian presented the metal-consuming public with music that refused to be pigeonholed: while full-fat riffs were the cornerstone, the band also deployed jazz, prog and straight-ahead anthemic rock elements that no one really understood but which sounded pretty epic.

Ask Odadjian to revisit his beginnings as a bass player and, like so many others before him, he revealed that he switched from six strings to four out of necessity rather than choice. “I guess I was like 18 when I picked up a bass,” he told BP. “I’d been a guitar player since I was 11 or 12 – and I still am a guitar player; I have more guitars than basses – but at that time I was trying to get into a band. Guitar players in LA were a dime a dozen, and when I teamed up with some guys in a band it was the time when Rage Against the Machine and Tool were coming out. 

“We were auditioning for bass players, but most of the guys who came in were either too good for the job – they all sounded like Les Claypool! – or they sounded like they just picked up the bass a month ago. There was no middle ground for guys who just grooved, where the bass is supposed to be.”

The fateful decision came on the spur of the moment. “One day I just said, ‘What if I play bass guitar while we're looking for a bass player?’ And so I hit the bass right away. It didn't take long. The single regret of my musical career is that when I switched to bass I traded in some guitar equipment – and I have a lot of equipment – that I wish I still had. It was a Randall guitar amp which I traded in and got a bass. That's my one regret. I wish I'd just saved some money and bought the bass instead. I miss the sound of that Randall!”

“In the beginning I played Ibanez BTB basses. I was the first person to ever play them, I think, when they were still at the experimental stage. Those were great basses, but back in those days I would get kinda destructive onstage and break stuff with my bass, and it was good because I could get those basses real easy. Then, when I switched to the Thunderbirds, I said to myself, ‘Hold back, little brother!’ Because those things break fast – you only have to touch the bottom of the neck where it joins the fretboard and it'll snap off.”

Odadjian has been playing Warwick basses since 2017. Of course, he makes his Warwick sound even bigger with his signature Ashdown amp. “Ashdown made me a rig called the Shavo 1000, which is like their last rig, the 900, but two steps above it. You can control 1000 watts of tube power, which is great. We were rehearsing one day and Rick Rubin came in, and I usually don't hear compliments on the bass – I usually hear, ‘Oh, the guitar is sounding really great’ – but this time they said, ‘We've never heard your bass sounding so good.’ I can actually hear every note I play, it's not wobbly. My tone cuts through everything; it's grungier, but you can hear every note and it's got more low-end.”

So how does Odadjian write his bass parts? Sometimes they come about by mistake rather than design, he says. For example, of the descending bass hook in System's 1998 song Sugar he told us: “That part was much slower before, kind of like jazz or swing. Now it's much faster. When we wrote that part originally it wasn't in a song, but then we dug it out again.”

One thing is for sure, SOAD's long-time producer Rick Rubin doesn't play a part in the bass tracks: “He's more of an inspirational producer than he is hands-on. He makes you do your best but he doesn't try to force something that isn't there. Like they say, find your niche and be the best at it. That's his model.” 

No, Odadjian does it the old-fashioned way – jamming out a line, working on it and finding the best way to suit each song. “I don't write basslines as such. I just play the song and if the bass part works I commit it to memory. I just do what the song requires. whether a nice heavy bassline is needed or a bouncy one that goes alongside a guitar. If the guitar part is high up. I'll compensate and play the low-end. I need to be on the money!”

When SOAD's career took off, Odadjian also found himself in demand as a guest musician on various side projects. One of these was everyone's dream gig: a slot in Parliament-Funkadelic main man George Clinton's band, with whom he played a handful of shows. Although his education in the world of bass hadn't included icons such as the great Bootsy Collins, he fitted perfectly into Clinton's band. “When I got into my jazz phase it really worked my brain when it came to the music, but I wasn't really into the individual players; for me it was more about the feel and the sound. I tried to do a Bootsy impression: I came out on stage with a big-ass full-length fur coat! 

“George invited me to play in Vegas and LA with him, it was really fun stuff. He was just like, ‘Do what you do!’ I asked him what my bass part was and he said, ‘You don't have a part; your part is you – because when you do you, you do it right, because you're not trying to do someone else.’ Isn't that great?”

Wu-Tang Clan leader The RZA (pronounced Rizza) is also a close friend, and Odadjian has taken steps into recording hip hop alongside him. “RZA and I are really good buddies, we live a few streets down from each other. Were always working together. Even when he went away for seven months to make his movie, he came back and we worked together straightaway. I have a home studio, he has a home studio, so it's easy just to do music together.”

This project, called Achozen, led to a couple of releases. “We have a record done – two records, actually. It's kinda timeless hip hop. Well, I say hip hop because there's rhyming on it, but the music is more industrial. I recorded and looped myself on that one, and I played an old Danelectro electric sitar on there as well. They're badass! RZA wanted guitars because he's a rocker at heart.”

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Joel McIver

Joel McIver was the Editor of Bass Player magazine from 2018 to 2022, having spent six years before that editing Bass Guitar magazine. A journalist with 25 years' experience in the music field, he's also the author of 35 books, a couple of bestsellers among them. He regularly appears on podcasts, radio and TV.