“There isn't a person on earth – if I put you in a blindfold – who could hear the difference between those two things”: Phish's Trey Anastasio on why he ditched his vintage pedals in favor of digital modelers

Trey Anastasio performs with Bleachers during the 10th Annual Ally Coalition Talent Show at NYU Skirball Center on December 17, 2024 in New York City
(Image credit: Taylor Hill/Getty Images for The Ally Coalition)

One of the most ubiquitous debates in the guitar world is whether digital effects can live up to the tonal quality and standard of analog pedals.

According to Phish's Trey Anastasio, the answer is simple: “There isn't a person on earth – if I put you in a blindfold – who could hear the fucking difference between those two things,” he tells Cory Wong on the Wong Notes podcast.

“I was able to collect, over the years, a real vintage Uni-Vibe, a real vintage Mu-Tron, because I'm in a big, famous band, and I can afford it," he quips.

Bob Bradshaw, inventor of the modern-day pedalboard, was the one who was like, ‘Hey, dude, you ever check out one of these [Line 6] M5s?’ ‘No.’ And he's like, ‘They're kind of cool.’ So I brought one home. This thing, it's 165 bucks. Line 6 does a good job [of] modeling every classic effect.

“I sat in my room for hours with my rack and with my Line 6 modeler, tweaking the knobs on the Line 6 with the actual Uni-Vibe,” he continues. “This was four or five years ago.

“My pedalboard now... I have two Line 6 M5s, one at the front and one at the back. And that's 90% of the effects that I use,” he reveals.

As for whether he'd ever opt for a slightly more complicated modeler, Anastasio is quick to reply, “I can't function with little, teeny windows and complicated things. The reason they're [the Line 6 M Series pedals] awesome is because they're for morons. They're really moronically simple.

“You can store 22 effects in them. Through that big sound system, I don't believe that anyone can hear the difference. That's what you're hearing. That's what I use.”

Janelle Borg

Janelle is a staff writer at GuitarWorld.com. After a long stint in classical music, Janelle discovered the joys of playing guitar in dingy venues at the age of 13 and has never looked back. Janelle has written extensively about the intersection of music and technology, and how this is shaping the future of the music industry. She also had the pleasure of interviewing Dream Wife, K.Flay, Yīn Yīn, and Black Honey, among others. When she's not writing, you'll find her creating layers of delicious audio lasagna with her art-rock/psych-punk band ĠENN.

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